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Strychnine
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2010, 03:08:51 PM »

Bloody hell, I can't make a comment about trying to be as good as you can be without people taking offense.

Here goes:

* I'm actively trying to get him to sign up for raids.  Judging from his gear and itemization, I'd say he's not r2r for ICC - however, as I've said multiple times, I'd love to see a log parse that proves otherwise. Without one, I have to go by theorycrafting alone, and by that I'd say he's not ready. Yet.
* The dps comment was just a reminder, and a personal gripe - a fair few people seem to think that once you hit the minimum, you're done. I hate setting dps targets other than "more than you have now", because people seem to stop trying after they hit a certain amount. If you don't, the comment does not apply to you, and you can move along - but seeing the shitstorm it causes, I'll refrain from saying anything like it from now on.
* It's hard enough to convey the difference between "You need this to be r2r" and "If you do this your performance will be better" without extreme care in choice of words. I'm very glad he seems to understand my meaning regardless, but please don't complicate matters by taking offense in his stead where it really isn't needed. If this is the way it has to go every time, I'm severely tempted to either take it all to PM, or relinquish my class leadership altogether - but I'm trying to avoid either for now.


To Az:
* Faith and Trogg are right, Rawr is a great program to figure out dps on. If you care to maximize your ability, download it and play around with it - I use it myself aswell. This is by no means needed for r2r or asga raiding, though - but if you like playing around with stats it will be a big help.
* As you might have noticed, gearscore is not very loved here - you'd probably do better not to mention it again. One of the problems with it is that it give a score for your gear without considering how good it is for your class or spec - a warrior tank in i277 casting cloth would have an awesome gearscore but obviously wouldn't be too good. In your case, mp5, spirit and such do little to nothing for you, and lower the value of your gear even though gearscore might say otherwise - and the same thing goes for average ilvl.
* Having a +hit trinket to swap out for a non-hit trinket is generally the best and easiest way to switch between having and not having Misery or Improved Faerie Fire on raids. Good call.
* I'll assume you already know this, but this is a very good place to get more info on Elemental shamans. Look around the shaman forum there a bit more if you want to get technical about it, and/or to keep up with the impact upcoming changes might have on our class or spec.

Anyway, good luck on the raid and I look forward to seeing the parse!
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 04:19:54 PM »

Your stats are ok for starting ICC. The most importent is to have the two hit sets, one close to 263 and one close to 342 as Strych said.

Then just sign for every raid you can, ToC, ICC 10 or ICC 25. Think my first 4-5 raids in ICC 25 with Tyr (before I was ICC r2r) was on wipe nights when it was hard to get people.

So sign, sign, sign Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 09:48:48 PM »

Adjusted my gems upped my enchants, just weapon to do now,  had a nice boot upgrade from totc and I believe theres a log to view on the totc25 man run made Tue eve, Hope I did well enough to get r2r for ICC, Hven't really raided much since TBH where i cleared all content with my old main Azlock. I'm a lil rusty and theres definatly room for me to improve my dps as I start to learn the fights  Grin. Really good fun though and thx for the Invite, tat ta for now  Afro
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aggramar&cn=Azsham
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 10:45:34 PM »

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/7evi3s90fenoai8c/sum/damageDone/ - ToC. 5.1k average for the run, looks like a pretty solid foundation to build on. Now, let's see some serious deconstruction of the parse by people who know how to Ele.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/7evi3s90fenoai8c/details/18/ - breakdown of Azsham's damage output.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 12:38:38 AM »

Parse looks good. Approved. Now go sign Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 01:29:21 AM »

I can't spot too much looking at the parse, mainly because it's late and i'm not properly ele >.< It's a shame i can't directly compare overall as i was healing for beasts and faction champs is a sucky check of anything, but going through the few differences i can see on jaraxxus, twins and anub-

Flame shock uptime:
Boss
Jaraxxus
Twins
Anub
Me
95.1%
96.1%
78.3%
Az
91.6%
89.8%
68.3%

Ideally we should both be aiming for as close to 100% uptime as possible, Anub's a bitch due to his burrows but meh, i'd recommend the power auras export i stuck up on the shammy forums (or making your own) to display when the target doesn't have flame shock, it's a nice visible reminder which is handy to see when it runs out Smiley We did, however somehow manage to get almost exactly the same number of ticks total on jaraxxus, which is odd, but i won't try and wrap my head around it now

Looking just at jaraxxus (it's really too late to traul through it all) i notice that despite the lower uptime, you used flame shock 8 times as opposed to my 3, you only really need to use it when you see yours is about to run out, so make sure it's nice and visible on your UI Smiley I also appeared to cast lightning bolt 91 times as opposed to 62 and lightning bolt 19 times instead of 14, i'm assuming as you have damage from legion flame jaraxxus was f**king with you, which probably caused it, but still- chain cast chain cast chain cast Smiley Handy video was linked not long ago, where the guy doing it recommends knowing exactly what you're going to cast next and spamming that button during the cast of the previous spell
It helps to know exactly how many LB's you're going to be able to fit for this, for example i know that per lava burst with my haste+buffs i can fit almost exactly 4 lightning bolts in, so on the fourth i start spamming the lava burst button
i also watch my dot timer (big ass icon on my target frame for my debuffs with a countdown on it) and go to reapply flame shock with around 3-4 seconds left (if i start a LB cast at 3 seconds i know even with a full length global i'm going to be able to get it back up with a little bit of time to spare

I've probably missed out things or included random crap that makes no sense, but hopefully there's something in there that can help -.- Upside, my hit rating's f**ked in my ele set recently and i got 30 more misses than you, every time a lava burst misses god kills a kitten Sad
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 09:30:40 AM »

Thx guys  Grin hope to raid with you soon, Thx for the power aura stuff swift , very nice  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2010, 02:10:30 PM »

Indeed, some situational stuff makes comparing parses directly quite tough - so I allowed for some discrepancy.
Some stuff to note:
- Flame Shock uptime (Swift covered this very well)
- Fire totem uptime - if you're not chosen as the raid's ToW-bitch, having Searing, Magma or Fire Elemental up as often as possible helps a fair bit on dps. Also note that you can pop a Fire Nova when moving as it's an instant cast - which can be useful as long as your fire totem is in range of the boss.
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2010, 02:18:39 PM »

From what i could see az did pretty well on the magma totem front, just have to remember that ele's a melee range spec now and it works out fine Tongue
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