AZsham R2R Application

[Bregoran]

Gear looks slightly improved, but since there's still a fair emount of item budget wasted on excess +hit, mp5 and spirit, I'd still like to see a log parse for some 10mans or ToC25.

Remember, a dps minimum of 5k doesn't mean it's enough to perform well in ICC - it's just that, a minimum. You should be hitting 7k at least to avoid being carried, but of course dps has no real target to hit other that "as much as possible". Even when you're pulling 11k you should still be looking for ways to improve.

It's 17% hit rating for casters vs a lvl 83 mob, looking at his Armoury it lists he has 13.42%, add the 1% from being a space goat and a 3% from Misery he's just over 17%. Apart from Possible food and elixir buffs, what do I miss in seeing that this is too much? Do agree with the spirit and mp5 but then again, Ive seen worse.

As for the 5k dps comment. Asking to aim as high as possible is always good but saying you should atleast be hitting 7k to avoid being carried and 5k being a minimum is a bit odd considering the fact that even better geared persons than Az seem to be hovering around 5.5-6k dps.

[Vialena]

I don't read r2r threads usually but I have read another shaman one and iirc a lot of other people got involved and it ended kinda badly. I know it's well intended Breg but this isn't meant to be an opinion poll so probably best if these things are left between the applicant and their class leader.
However I will say, I don't think anyone needs to be preached to in their r2r thread about underperformance when they've not even been on a raid yet .

[Faithless]

I think the 7k dps comment comes from festergut and probably more past that - think someone worked out a raid average dps needs to be 7k odd to get him down.

Now given that some dps are doing 10k+ on that fight now we've got a bit of leeway either way, but yes in theory if you're less than the raid average dps you're being carried, if you're over you're doing the carrying.

In practice, everyone's dps is different from one fight to the next, and some people take specs that sacrifice their personal dps for higher raid dps. As long as we get the mob down it's all gravy

There is also a 3% hit from 'elemental precision' talent, so in a typical raid he'll be sitting at 20% hit odd.

[Azsham]

Gs 5k Gs 5k Gs 5k ....... I use the site max dps for info on what gear to epuip for max dps output, As with the cloak I just equiped, It suggests that Gear with mp5 and spirit is an improvement on previouse Items. Yes I'm a cheap skate when it comes to enchants and gemming   I'll get that sorted. Hit is an issue for me because I use the hit trinket I'm either way above or way below where I need to be, I Am a little confused about the hit ,At present i'm 13.42%,being a space goat makes me 14.42% and with elemental persision 17.42%. I thought 17% was where i needed to be can you please let me know where i'm going wrong there, ty again for advice.

[Bregoran]

There is also a 3% hit from 'elemental precision' talent, so in a typical raid he'll be sitting at 20% hit odd.

That would be the talents I missed then

[Nariaki]

To get this back on topic -  Az is signed for ToC-25 tomorrow, would be nice to see enough extra signups that tomorrow happens and a log-parse of Azsham's perfomance gets posted for real performance numbers, not just theorycrafting. Plug plug, we have someone here with a real "I want to improve, please help" attitude, let's get a raid on and help him do that (Assuming I'm drafted tomorrow, I will of course throw up a log parse).

[Faithless]

Just out of interest what tools are you using to decide which items would be an upgrade?

You probably know it, but spirit and mp/5 are both pretty useless for ele shammies - i'm guessing the cloak was an upgrade because of the other stats on it, not the mp5/spirit

I've been playing with rawr (http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr) a lot on my paladin recently, it seems to model dps pretty well, and i know igorr has been using it for his DK. You basically load your char from the armoury into it, it then predicts what dps you should be doing for a given fight length / raid buffs. For me it's pretty accurate. After that, you can select on each gear slot which drops are likely to be available to you, and tell it to optimise your gearset.

It then gives you which combination of available drops you should get to maximise your dps - i found it very useful to decide which bit of t10 i'll skip out on, and how to get the right amount of hit/expertise without going over budget.


Been meaning to write up a guide to how i use it, shout if you'd find it useful!

[Trogg]

I like RAWR a lot. One of the things you have to take into consideration is that, depending how you configure RAWR, it will take your regeneration or amount of Mana into consideration. What i mean is that it might show Spirit or MP5 as a DPS stat purely based on the fact that you will have more mana to use on DPS moves.

This might not be very important at all in a 25 man raid where you have regen being thrown at you from all sides. I;ve noticed this from using it moslty on my hunter, so it might not be the same for other classes.

[Kamira]

Gear looks slightly improved, but since there's still a fair emount of item budget wasted on excess +hit, mp5 and spirit, I'd still like to see a log parse for some 10mans or ToC25.

Remember, a dps minimum of 5k doesn't mean it's enough to perform well in ICC - it's just that, a minimum. You should be hitting 7k at least to avoid being carried, but of course dps has no real target to hit other that "as much as possible". Even when you're pulling 11k you should still be looking for ways to improve.

It's 17% hit rating for casters vs a lvl 83 mob, looking at his Armoury it lists he has 13.42%, add the 1% from being a space goat and a 3% from Misery he's just over 17%. Apart from Possible food and elixir buffs, what do I miss in seeing that this is too much? Do agree with the spirit and mp5 but then again, Ive seen worse.

As for the 5k dps comment. Asking to aim as high as possible is always good but saying you should atleast be hitting 7k to avoid being carried and 5k being a minimum is a bit odd considering the fact that even better geared persons than Az seem to be hovering around 5.5-6k dps.

the bit about 7k dps made me want to tell aspiring tanks that if they have less than 45k health unbuffed they're being carried...
please let's not be too elitist here in asga... R2R is for ENTRY LEVEL raiding, that is: "what is needed for Marrowgar => Saurfang?"
feel free to suggest how to improve beyond that, but tone it as a suggestion, not as a "if you don't do this you suck"

[Azsham]

While i was posting others posted as well , I missed missery buff 3% but I can always remove my hit trinket and use a different one which drops me down to where you want me to be hit wise , TY for rawr looks really useful as with max dps it refers to items with spirit on ie leg enchant brillient spell thread as being an upgrade on saphire spell thread,